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ReplyDeleteIn the soccer arena, when they stoned those two people to death, what does that symbolize, then adding on to that, it was Assef who was the one throwing the stones. What does that symbolize?
ReplyDeleteAssef has never grown up. He hasn't changed much. He has not changed a bit. All that he has done is graduate to taking people's lives
DeleteAssef has not changed since he was a kid, and is actually worse than what he was when he was a kid. It shows that Assef was not just a kid not knowing what he was doing, but that is the character of Assef even when he is grown up
DeleteIt shows that Assef is such a cruel person, that hasn't changed since childhood. I think the author had this in the book to show how much Amir has changed compared to other characters.
DeleteWhen the two people died on the field i think Assef was throwing the stones because Assef hasn’t cared for anyone. Assef has always been the bad guy in the community that they lived in. I think that Assef symbolizes evil in the book because he hasn't changed.
DeleteYou may have noticed that the slingshot comes up a few times throughout the book. Assef almost gets shot with the slingshot while Hassan was sticking up for Amir, and then in the latest chapters Hassan's son sticks up for Amir, shooting Assef in the eye with the golden marble. What does the slingshot symbolize to you?
ReplyDeleteTo my it symbolizes power. Because when Hassan used it against Assef in the beginning, it was to gain power over Assef and then the same situation with his son. It brought power over him.
DeleteI agree with Brittany. It is a big symbol for power, and I believe it is a good symbol for freedom too. The slingshot is shown at times where bad is happening and it needs some good. Every time that Assef showed up, we would see this slingshot or even hear about it. Its a way of fighting the man.
DeleteI think that the slingshot might symbolize the idea of protection or fear. I think that it represents this because when Hassan and Amir were being intimidated by Assef, the slingshot protected them and made Assef back down in fear. It was the same when Sohrab protected Amir when he was fighting Assef. The last reason I think it is a symbol of protection is because the book said that Sohrab carries it around everywhere with him because it is a piece of his father and makes him feel safe.
DeleteDo you think that his view of America is different since he lives there now? I think his view is the same. Even though when they got there they were very poor they grew and grew and now Amir has a family and has something to live for and look forward to when he gets home.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that he thought much about America before he moved there because he was a child with different thoughts.
DeleteI think his life is similar because they were so rich in Kabul. I think his view of America has to be slightly different than what he expected because he would not have known exactly what to expect.
DeleteI believe that no matter where you will move, it will be different and you will have mixed feelings about moving there before. As a child, I don't believe they talked about America too much. As he got there, they struggled very much, but for the most part I think Amir was optimistic about moving there, and he tried his hardest to keep his dad out of trouble.
DeleteI think that Kabul has always been bad, but since he was a child he never really payed attention to the bad things. Now he is an adult he has to be mindful of what Kabul is really like
ReplyDeleteI agree with this. I think Amir was sheltered as a child and didn't have to see the bad. Now that he is an adult and is facing his past sins, he is forced to see the ugly in the world.
DeleteThis is what the driver meant when he said he was always a tourist in his own country.
DeleteI'm not quite sure about this I mean because he was a child when he lived there his views may have been different but when he had originally went back he was saying things about the way it smelled and how many more "beggars" there were. He said that now instead of men being with the mothers and children they were off fighting in the war. You can see this on 245 and at the beginning of 246.
DeleteYeah I agree with Megan, just because he was a kid doesn't mean that he wasn't gonna notice the bad things. Little kids are actually very smart, I would know I have a 6 year old brother and a 4 year old sister and they definitely notice everything and they are pretty young, Amir was like 12.Yeah he was sorta sheltered as a child but he played outside so he would have seen the "beggars" and the other bad things that were happening in Kabul.
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ReplyDeleteSohrab is like the father figure that Amir never had. Sohrab has had his father Hassan and now that Hassan has past Amir is able to step in and help Hassan out.
ReplyDeleteIs Assef still looking for Amir and Sohrab because of the incident that happened? Is Assef going to leave Afghanistan to find them or is he just going to forget about it?
ReplyDeleteI feel like Assef will do anything to hurt the people around him
DeleteBefore the fight he said that if he could walk out that he could leave, and I feel like he will live up to that.
DeleteI agree with LaneD. I feel like Assef won't stop hurting people no matter what. He doesn't mind sharing the pure joy he felt when he murders people. I feel like he wouldn't go after Amir personally, but send people after him. But I don't know, Assef is unpredictable in some ways.
DeleteI feel that the loss of his eye will cause Assef to be a bit humbled, but it does say the he does not feel guilt, so it could become the mission of his life to find Amir and Sohrab
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ReplyDeleteDoes Amir stepping up and taking Sohrab in as a son, atone for Amir's sins?
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't atone for them, but I think that is what he is trying to do is help make up for his wrong doings.
DeleteI think it does atone for his sins because Sohrab hated that orphanage and then afterwards he had to deal with Assef which Hassan has a bad relationship with. Since Amir got him out of that orphanage and away from Assef saved Sohrab's life.
DeleteI think Amir thinks that by stepping up to be Sohrab's dad will in a way make up for his sins in the past because it's like his last chance. But Amir waited all this time to atone his sins and now its too late, yeah maybe he can sorta make up for it by taking over the father role in Sohrab's life but if he would have tried to make up for his mistakes from the start then everything would be different. .
DeleteI think that it does atone for his sins, because Amir allowed Hassan to be hurt by Assef when they were kids. Now, as an adult, he has saved Sohrab from Assef, whcih shows that he has come a long way with bravery.
DeleteIn one of the chapters it said that Hassan never knew that they had the same father. If Hassan found out about all of these lies before he passed away how would he react?
ReplyDeleteI think he would be mad at his father. His life could have been entirely different. He lived with his brother and pushed him away, and he now has to live with the fact that he didn't help his brother out in the past.
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ReplyDeleteAt the very end of chapter 24, it said that Amir walked into the bathroom and found Sorhab, do you guys think that he will live or die? Do you think that he intentionally tried to drown himself?
ReplyDeleteI think he'll live, it would be impossible for Amir to atone for those transgressions without Sohrab. And to be honest the book would suck if he does die.
DeleteI think he will live but he probably did that because it was either go to a place where they "hurt him" but i guess its either that or not wanting to be alive which is a little dumb
DeleteI think that Sohrab harmed himself intentionally because he doesn't want to go to the orphanage again because of the way he was treated by Assef at that orphanage. Sohrab almost has a mind set of if Amir can't have him then nobody can which is why I think he refuses to go to the orphanage. I also think that Sohrab will live because Amir tried to get him to a hospital as quick as he could when he found him.
DeleteI think it was because he was in so much pain and he was so sad as a little boy that he did not want to have to deal with going into another orphanage. And he thought that the best way to get out of the pain and his how frightened he is. @miguelw
DeleteI also agree with Kenny that he didn't want to go back to the orphanage and this shows he would rather die then go back because he was treated so badly.
DeleteDo you think that the author could/should have made Amir's injuries from Assef not as severe? Do you think that if his injuries weren't as bad, things would have played out the way they did?
ReplyDeleteI think the author needed to make Amir's beating a brutal as he could so it could give Sohrab and big reason to stand up for Amir. I think Sohrab was already hesitant to help Amir, so it is in some way good that Amir's beating from Assef was so brutal.
I honestly can't understand how badly injured Amir was because he was able to get out of the hospital bed after a couple of weeks after the incident so that tells me he was not that badly hurt.
DeleteWhat was the biggest step out of Amir's naive self and into the life he has now?
ReplyDeleteI think it was going to find Sohrab. It is obviously a very hard thing to do. It just shows how brave he is when he is willing to do anything to get Hassan's son.
DeleteTo Mac, Allah was worshiped in Kabul, Why reference God?
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ReplyDeleteI agree with this. I think that he still believes that he is weak and has no power, I almost think that Amir is afraid to be powerful.
ReplyDeleteDo you think things would have been different between Amir and Hassan if they had known they were brothers? Do you think Amir would have stepped in during chapter 7? Do you think he would have framed Hassan?
ReplyDeleteI feel like had Hassan and Amir both known they were brothers they would have treated each other differently because they would have been related, but I think that Baba would have told Amir to be careful with Hassan so they don't have their family reputation ruined. During chapter 7, I still don't think Amir would have stepped in to protect Hassan because Amir was just a kid and he still would be selfish and afraid to do anything for Hassan.
DeleteI feel like many people are willing to go to great lengths to help their siblings. I do think Amir would have stuck up for Hassan, and I don't think he'd have any reason to frame Hassan if he stood up for him in the alley way. I also feel like if he knew that he was his brother, he would tell Baba because there wouldn't be that boundary because of them being servants.
DeleteKhaled Hosseini brings elements found on the beginning like the slingshot that is used to defeat Assef twice (42 & 290). Do you think Hosseini reuses these elements from early on in the book to bring everything full circle?
ReplyDeleteI think he uses it twice because the slingshot has a symbolic piece within the text, and I think it symbolizes power.
DeleteHow can Assef live with himself? He's caused so much pain and suffering, does he not feel sad?
ReplyDeleteIt's more he wants to fix or take the guilt off of him from what he has done and he wont stop until he does the right thing.
DeleteHe does feel bad, that's why he accepted the beating from Assef because it was one way to help him face his guilt from his childhood. That's also another reason why he wants to take Sorhab home. To help atone from his past.
DeleteSome people are able to distance themselves from the choices they make, some people can commit horrible atrocities and feel nothing, I mean Assef literally worshiped Hitler so no it doesn't surprise me he can do these things.
DeleteI think that the evil inside of him overpowers any amount of sympathy he has inside of him.
DeleteWhen Amir was talking to Sohrab in chapter 24 He said that they BOTH got what they deserved so that means he is not just referring to Assef he is also referring to what he has done.
DeleteEvery villain is brutal, but deep down, what hurts caused Assef's actions?
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