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At the end of the book, all of the characters who are the bums were all light, and all of the colors within those few pages were light, do that symbolize anything specific?
ReplyDeleteI think these people are pictured in light because they, like Clarisse and Faber, are among those who are enlightened in society. I've also noticed that the people who make a difference in Montag's life, more specifically guide him to change, are depicted like this.
DeleteI agree with Casey, the light is symbolizing the enlightenment or the sense of true happiness. The people in the light have shown Montag this path and how to be enlightened. They were the light in the darkness of this society, they wanted to learn and become educated instead of following the path of the rest of society.
DeleteI agree with Casey as well, but I also think that the light on the last couple of pages represents some sort of hope for all of these characters. At the end of the book they are given a chance at a new life and they are given hope when it comes to the books because they have all the knowledge they need to pass readings and other important things they memorized on through generations.
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DeleteI agree that the light shows that there is a kind of hope for Montag and the people that he met. It is because they are different from other people in society that they have escaped from the destruction, and because they are smarter in a way. Reading books was what helped them become smarter and more aware in the first place.
DeleteOn page 126 wen Montag repeats "...It's your turn" What does he mean?
ReplyDeleteDo you think it is a good thing or a bad thing that the city got destroyed at the end?
ReplyDeleteI think that it is a good thing that the city was destroyed at the end of the book because it could mean a fresh start for the society.
DeleteYes I think it is a good thing that they have learned their lesson about being an ignorant society but I also think it is a bad thing because that is an entire city that loses their lives.
DeleteIt almost depends on who's perspective you are looking at from the text. For Montag it probably is the best thing that could have happened for him because he and his new friends are now being given another chance at a new life. They don't have to worry about other people trying to stop them from spreading books around the world, and they also don't have to worry about people trying to kill them. If you look at it from the city's perspective then it is terrible for them because it was the only lifestyle they had ever known and that was their only home because it is where they fit in and felt some sense of normalcy.
DeleteI think that it was a good thing that the city got destroyed because then the city could start over. There were so many things that were messed up about the city that it being destroyed might have came as a relief for Montag.
DeleteI agree with Jacob. This society seemed very dark and broken, and it badly needed to restart. Everyone seemed sad and isolated, and the firemen were corrupt (Beatty and Montag possessing literature). This is also good for Montag because he can now have a fresh start in the world and not have to worry about seeing people from his old city.
DeleteI think it was a good resolution in the conflict of this book. The city had so many things wrong with it. It was a corrupted society, and it needed to go down in flames just like how they thought burning books was healthy.
DeleteI noticed that the jet bombers are mentioned whenever Montag is struggling internally, like when he is questioning his happiness for example, and so I began to wonder... What does the external war occurring symbolize?
ReplyDeleteI think it symbolizes the war he's having with himself. In the beginning it was whether or not to listen to Clarrise, and then it's turned into this huge struggle whether happiness is worth it all or not.
Delete@Casey, I think that the jets represented his freedom soaring free. The bombers actually being present is him finally being free from the society.
DeleteI agree with Natalie. I think throughout the book, Montag is fighting an internal war with himself. This all begins with Clarisse, and trying to learn how to be different and open to opposing opinions and ideas. I also think that Montag is having a tough time with that decision, because he realizes that he has a good thing going living in this society - he is practically above the law being a fireman.
DeleteOn page 92 we see Mildred ready to take pills, but then on page 107 she's leaving Montag. What changed her mind to live?
ReplyDeleteThat is a good question. I think it should be the other way around because after they got their house burned down, why is it worth living whilst before she was just annoyed about what has been going on.
DeleteI think that Mildred is selfish, and she wanted people to recognize her as a hero, even if it meant unfairly exposing her husband's wrongdoings along the way.
DeleteI would argue that Mildred was in the right. Think from her perspective, her husband comes home ranting about illegal materials and starts to bring them into their home. She sees these materials change him into someone she dosent recognize then gets physically hurt by him. What else could she have done but turn him in?
DeleteI think Mildred saw the change coming sand she wanted to witness it. This society could be changing for the better, and she realized she didn't want to miss out.
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ReplyDeleteOn Page 143, on the far most bottom right panel it says " We're book burners too. We read the books and burnt them, afraid they'd be found." What does this character mean? what significance does this quote have?
ReplyDeleteI think that these people are the people who are like Montag, the ones who want to read and the ones who want more knowledge, they would read the books, and then burn it so the books couldn't get them in trouble.
DeleteThis character is explaining that they read books, memorize all the information, then burn them so they won't be found out. I think that it isn't even the fear of being captured that motivates them to burn the books, but that they will not be able to pass on their knowledge to future generations if they are dead. In this case, their passion is their motivation.
DeleteThey burn the books so that they don't get in trouble. They want to read as many books as they can and when they finish they burn them because they can remember exactly what they read.
DeleteOn page 147 there is a comment made that says "I wonder how many knew it was coming," do you think that the end was always planned or because of Montag's outbreak and rebellion, society couldn't go on as normal and it needed to happen?
ReplyDeleteOn page 142, on the top panel, the smoke is such a large part of this particular picture, what does the smoke represent in this panel, and really through out the whole text?
ReplyDeleteOn page 146 Montag says my wife is back there. do you think that he really cares for Mildred or is just used to worrying about her?
ReplyDeleteI was going to ask a similar question, because towards the beginning of the book when Clarrise talked about love, and how Montag was not in love. That leads me to believe that he never actually loved Mildred, but he still cares about her, and he did not want her to die or be killed.
DeleteI think he is just used to worrying about her because to me it didn't seem like she was a good wife to him because she took her entire bottle of pills twice in the story and she divorced with him so it seems to me like his wife didn't really like him.
DeleteThis is a good question. I think that Montag feels responsible for her, and even though he views her as a burden, it's his duty as a husband to attend to and worry about her.
DeleteWhen we see the image on the screen of 'Montag' being hunted and killed by the hound. It's a televised event of violence by the goverment. Not only is it deemed acceptable but it is shown as entertainment. This scene almost made me think of the Hunger Games, from how extreme violence is used for entertainment. Is this a commentary about violence in media and howit could become dangerous
ReplyDeleteI think that it would portray violence as an okay thing to the people, and it would lead to possible uprisings, like you said just like in the Hunger Games. And that would be dangerous to the government, because then it would be over thrown, potentially.
DeleteThat is definitely a possibility. There are a lot of things, like violence, shown on TV that could have a negative impact on people. It could end up making people too used to violence and not treat it like it's a big deal.
DeleteOn page 137 top right panel the fire is different than on the bottom two panels on 143, who do you think the author did this? Do you think it symbolizes something?
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DeleteI didn't really notice the fire on that page but however I did notice that the fire they show on that page is different than the fires that they have been showing throughout the book.
Deleteand why do you think that is? do you think it has any meaning?
DeleteWell I can at least tell you that there were different types of fires. Throughout the story the fires were just them mindlessly burning books whilst at the end it is just a campfire.
DeleteOn page 134 it says "He was in the river," water and fire are polar opposites, do you think that this scene showed how he has evolved over the course of the book and has become an arguably more "peaceful" person?
ReplyDeleteI think that could possibly symbolize him as extinguished, he does not want to burn book nor does he want to be a part of the society, so he put out his own fire by running away.
DeleteThis is a really good point. I do think that over the course of the book he has changed so much and that does represent fire and water. In the very beginning of the book he is in fire and the colors of the book were red, orange, and yellow. Towards the end of the book he is in the river and the colors are all blue green and gray.
DeleteIn the very last page 149 on the final panel we read the quote, "...And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations." What do you think the significance of this quote is and how do you think it speaks of what is to come next?
ReplyDeleteI think that this little quote on page 149 represents a lot. I think it almost represents society and the people living in it because just like leaves fall, sometimes things like society and people fall and are broken, but then they have the ability to be healed again because sometimes you have to go through some hard times before things get easier. For Montag he went through all the challenges of being a firemen and dealing with Clarrise and Mildred which eventually broke him down. Then he left and found similar people like him which made him feel better about himself and made him think what he did was right. So he was broken down but got back up and was given a chance at another life where he can make change in society.
DeleteThat wasn't the whole quote. It was possessively throughout the whole page. "And on either side of the river was there a tree of life...which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month... and the leaves of the tree were for he healing of the nations." It could possibly mean that life was both good and bad. Just like one side of the river is good and one side is bad, therefore, one tree represents good and one tree represents bad. The fruit part is then about the difference of Montag's progression and evolution throughout the book. When it says twelve manner of fruits, just like Montag changes over time. And then the leaves of the tree would then go to healing the people and the nation that was broken by the government who banned books.
DeleteWhat is the difference between the firemen killing people vs. Montag killing his fellow firemen. That was most definitely not the first time that he killed someone, so why was he being punished this time, but not every other time?
ReplyDeleteThere is really no difference I think they just used it as an excuse to get rid of montag since they don't trust him anymore.
DeleteWell the firemen never really killed anyone, the only person who died was the old lady who committed suicide. but with Montag he actually killed a man, so I think that Montag should be punished.
DeleteI think the difference between the firemen killing people vs. Montag killing someone was that the firemen have been in a way brainwashed into doing this. It is their job and if they disobey then likely they will be punished. In the case of the old lady staying with her books, they had to kill her, so I believe that there are many situations where people choose that they'd rather die than live without books. With Montag killing Beaty, that was his choice, he killed Beaty because that is what he felt like doing. Not because it was his job.
DeleteI think that in the past, Montag was not punished because he was pretty much above the law as a fireman. When he kills his fellow firemen, he is betraying the law, and so the hound is sent after him for it. I also think that it was different in the sense of Montag's emotion. The way I imagine it, the firemen were probably fairly emotionless as they burn somebody's house and kill them. However, between pages 113 and 117, you can see the raw emotion of hate and vengeance on Montag's face.
DeleteWhat do you think are the important themes and messages of the novel?
ReplyDeleteI believe one of the big ideas being shown in this book, is the idea of thinking for yourself. Living in America, we often take advantage of our freedoms. This was a good text to show how our society would be if we didn't have those freedoms.
DeleteOne of the ideas that is shown is that suppression and censorship can often lead to rebellion and uprising. The book is telling us that censorship can make people unaware of the issues that are actually going on in the world.
DeleteWould you argue that Montag is his own worst enemy? He constantly struggles with decisions and what his next move should be. Do we often become our own worst enemy without realizing?
ReplyDeleteWould anyone ever read the novel Fahrenheit 451?
ReplyDeleteYes, the novel version is amazing and I highly recommend it.
DeleteWhy do you think that in this book firemen are so powerful and looked up to? For example on the 3rd panel down on page 80 he says "Who can stop me? I'm a fireman. I can burn you!" What is the significance of this?
ReplyDeleteFear, people are afraid of what the firemen could do to them. So then the people follow the rules because they don't want to loose everything and everyone they have. So they follow the rules because the firemen have so much power because they use fire for mass destruction.
DeleteI think that the firemen are looked up to because they are above the law and have so much power over people that it puts some sense of fear into the people. Since the fireman have so much power, they are an intimidation factor in society that seems to try and keep all of society equal so that no one can have greater power than the fireman do.
DeleteThis shows how firemen are given way too much power in this society. They are made to be the top of the totem pole. They are made to be very authoritative. This quote represents that idea in this society. The firemen can act big and macho because they have authority.
DeleteOn page 103-104 when the alarm went off and beatty slipped montag's address in his pockets. Do you think he was trying to avoid investigating montag's house.
ReplyDeleteI think he was just trying to avoid panic and he was trying to avoid Montag from running away.
DeleteI think it was because he was quoting poetry a lot throughout the book and he didn't want to make himself look hypocritical by not allowing the other firemen to read books.
DeleteHe also most likely was so amused of himself, like he held all of the power in his hands.
DeleteI think he was trying to build suspense for Montag, and it was just for his own amusement.
DeleteI think Montag is resistant to taste the rain water because it's definitely symbolizing the epiphany he has and he's nervous to realize that the world is so much different than he thought
ReplyDeleteOn page 136, on the second panel from the top, Montag is reluctant to relieve the water. What does this symbolize?
ReplyDeleteOn page 86 and 87 Millie and her friends are talking and they bring up politics. They compare the two candidates and the current president by looks ""nicest-looking" "kind of small and homely" "tall vs short" "fat" Why do you think this is? Why do they talk about the looks instead of the policies that they have?
ReplyDeleteBecause they are shallow, the people don't have much exposure to anything else then visual media, so they have grown to be shallow.
DeleteWell Clarisse is probably in shock too. How does a teenager deal with 6 deaths? I think her reaction is more human than anyone else'
ReplyDeleteI agree with this, loosing a friend is awful and so hard so imagine loosing 6
DeleteOn page 125 who do you think was driving the car, and do you think it was because of the broadcast?
ReplyDeleteI think it was just a normal person, but it goes back to page 9 when Clarisse says "If you showed a driver a green blur, Oh yes! He'd say, That's grass!" Showing the people don't even pay attention to details and are their own world. I dont think the driver saw Montag
DeleteI think it was the people who killed Clarisse. And they drove towards him because he was carrying books. They probably want to kill people who are trying to rebel, but I don't think they could have recognized him from that far away in the dark. So they probably didn't know it was him, otherwise they would have stopped.
DeleteIf you were in Montag's position, how would you do things differently? Is there anything you think he could've done that would make it a better ending for him?
ReplyDeleteI would have talked to Faber the first time and ran away and joined the bums, and avoided the chase and avoided killing anyone.
DeleteDo you guys think that Clarrise is the reason for all of this? For example, Montag realizing that he could change and realizing that the government is brain washing the people and him wanting to get out of it?
ReplyDeleteDo you think that throughout Montag's life he ever questioned books or society or do you think that it only started after he met Clarisse?
ReplyDeleteI think that it was after he met Clarisse.
DeleteI think that it all started after he met Clarisse because there was nobody in the society that had as many thoughts and ideas as she did. She was not afraid of anyone or anything so she tried to talk some sense into Montag because since he is a firemen and they have the most power in society, she knew that Montag was the only one who had any chance at all to make a small change or save society.
DeleteI agree, after the meeting with Clarisse the tone of the book changed. Montag starts to open up and learn more and see the world differently. She is in a way Montag's jumpstart into learning and finding his enlightenment.
DeleteI think that she's in love with the walls/parlor
ReplyDeleteI think the reason the flower rubs off on Clarisse is because she is one of the only ones in this society that is CAPABLE of love. While Montag and Mildred and the rest of the society dont know what love is.
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