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I agree with Micah and her saying that it was mostly about how we don't have enough time with someone as we think. I believe that Montag took that time for granted with Clarisse and his wife.
ReplyDeleteI think that an important message from this book is that if you want to stand up for something you strongly believe in, you have to understand that there are consequences and you have to be able to accept them.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Jerrica, but then why didn't Montag go back and stand up for his beliefs? He just walked away.
DeleteHe did walk away from the city, but he walked away so he could continue fighting and remembering the books. I think the real thing he's standing up for is something that's not in the city.
DeleteWhy do you guys think that when the police had that one guy under their radar, that they killed him? An innocent person.
ReplyDeleteI think that the police wouldn't want people to know that Montag got away, so they had to fake killing him to make everyone continue to feel happy and safe.
DeleteI think that the police killed the innocent man because they knew they weren't going to catch montag so they had to tell the public that they had eliminated the threat. I think they did it so people would feel safe and know that montag isn't still out there.
DeleteWhat page is that on?
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DeleteI agree with Taylor because Beatty seems to be secretive towards Montage, and feels like it couldn't be true
ReplyDeleteI agree with micah saying that we dont have enough time with someone, but then we also dont have enough time for our selfs
ReplyDeleteI noticed that in the end of the book, when everyone is staring at the fire, there is no orange or red in the flames. In the fires that Montag started to burn down books, the lighting was all orange and red. The salamander logo on the side of Montag's uniform was also orange. I'm thinking that the color orange was made to portray evil and bad in the book because of the events and places it's used in.
ReplyDeleteThat's really good thinking, I never thought that the colors would symbolize something as important at that.
DeleteThis is an interesting thought that I never personally thought about. We see that in the end of the book, when they are all gathered around the fire, that it is more peaceful instead of hectic. Their motives are no longer to do bad for the "greater good", but to do good because it is what the world needs reintroduced.
DeleteI think that the fact that Beatty waited for the second call in and that he wanted to be burned by Montag might be connected. I don't know why though.
ReplyDeleteDid you guys noticed the color scheme got more dark and contrasted then it did the last 2 reading sections?
ReplyDeleteI did notice that, the last 2 page also seemed to include more detail in their faces and the trees. Montag's face really starts to show up more at the end of the book, seems to be happier with himself
DeleteIn freshman History we talked about a picture of travelers heading west for establishment. The picture got darker the way that they were heading and my teacher said that it was dark because that part hadn't been explored yet and it was dark because nobody knows what's in front of them. The reason I say this is because at the end of the book Montag is ending and starting a new chapter of hi life and he doesn't know what lays ahead.
DeleteI kinda think that Beatty was planning on his death, that he was prepared for it and did not want to fight that it was a great chance it was going to happen.
ReplyDeleteWhat makes you think that?
DeleteQuestion: Even though Clarisse was only is a short part of the book, what do you think that her overall effect on Montag was? Did she change him at all? And was it for the better or worse?
ReplyDeleteAnswer: So my response to this question is that Clarisse gave Montag that opportunity tot think. Think for deeply about life and the reason why he was where he was in his life. I do think it was for the better because it totally changed his outlook on life. When people appear in your life that you weren't expecting they affect your life in the slightest ways even if you don't recognize it right away. I think that without Clarisse in this book, Montag would have choosen different choices and like he would be even more of an introvert than he already is.
I definitely think that Clarisse changed him for the good because at least now he knows the truth. Maybe it didn't end the way he or us wanted, but he knows what books are really for and he was happy about that. clarisse made him wonder about that. I think the effect she had on him was that, she was just someone who opened his eyes to reality, to prove that he was not ever really happy, just kinda frozen while living through life.
DeleteI think that clarisse did change montag. because after he met him he started to realize more stuff, the overall effect on montag was that he needed somone to knock him out and to start realizing the truth.
DeleteFor Sarah's question about the fire being in Montag's eyes on page 126, I personally think that there is a fire in his eyes because he in ways is reflecting on all the things he has done up to this point. In the panel before his fiery eyes, it says ""...For all the houses your husband burned and the people he hurt without thinking."" In the next picture, you can see sweat beads on his face along with his furrowed brow, he looks worried and I think he is reliving all these memories because he has also hurt people by burning their houses. For example, like the woman that burned up in her house.
ReplyDeleteKirry spoke about how on page 113 they talk about how theyve put an alarm on Montag and then Skylar mentions that it comes back to how Beatty is a different person than how he's portrayed and I think this idea of Beatty being a different person is very provoking. How do you think the book would've changed if beatty was the person he acted like he was? How do you think this would affect the outcome of the story and montage character?
ReplyDeleteDO you thing that if montag could would he go back and change the things he has done?
ReplyDeleteI don't think that he would because as the book progresses he learns to "cope" with the cards he was handed. Also he seems to be in a happier place towards the end of the book. He is more content with his life now than he was as well.
DeleteI think he wouldn't change all of it but he would change the way we went about his ideas. For example like he wouldn't kill beatty and I think he would keep his reading in the dark so he could keep all of the other things around him such as his wife and his career. I think he realized that the violence and the harm that was done out weighs the good.
DeleteI don't think that Montag would have gone back because he got what he wanted. The only thing I think he would have done was changed the way he went about doing what he did.
DeleteI do think that he would go back and change who he had killed. and I think he would want to take back letting everything out. I think he would still want to know everything but keep it to himself and find out ways to help everyone else.
DeleteI think it's interesting, the thought that when Beatty was younger, he had books. It makes me wonder, that if he did have books as a younger child/man when did he change to hating and burning books?
ReplyDeleteI don't think that Beatty's opinion personally changed. I think that he went along with what everyone wanted because their society just wanted to stop reading altogether. He had no choice and no way to convince them otherwise, so that's why I think he had been warning Montag, and went along with everyone.
DeleteI don't necessarily think that Beatty hated books, but that was part of society and his role was to be the one to inforce all this hatred upon books. And because books were seen as detrimental, he had to act this way too, although it wasn't always like this. I think that since he always quotes and recites Shakespeare and other authors/books that he has liked books and liked reading. I say this because he has memorized multiple excerpts, I don't think someone that hates books would do that. I think that society made him play this role that made it seem like he hated books and wanted them all gone, but in reality, this wasn't who he was.
DeleteI agreed with Kathryn when she was saying it was kinda just weird how they just like blew up the city and left
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone find it interesting that Montag still claimed Millie as his wife? If you were in his position would you have still claimed Millie as your wife? (page 146)
ReplyDeleteI think it was weird, because she literally was the one who called in the books...and I feel like Montag just missed her and was disappointed with her.
DeleteI feel like he felt a lot of guilt towards how he treated her before, along with all the different feelings he probably was going through when she left him
DeleteI feel like Montag doesn't blame Millie. It seems more like he feels sorry for her then hates her, so I could see why he would want to know that she's safe.
Deletei think that he called her his wife as a sort of habit. They were together for probably a while so he must have became used to calling her that. I also don't think that he has any type of anger towards her about it. He didn't express any anger to her about the books most of his anger is geared toward beatty.
DeleteWhat do you think is the importance of the car on (pages 124-5)?
ReplyDeleteWhy were they trying to hit someone? And then when they turned the car around what does that mean?
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think that Montag totally just thought the car that hit him was the car that hit Clarisse? I mean there are so many cars out there, but he just thought it was that one.
ReplyDeleteI feel like his thoughts were all based on fear and because he cared for Clarisse he eminently thought it was the same person that hit her
DeleteTo answer Kaitlyn T's question about Clarisse, I think clarisse was the spark in montag's head. She was the little nudge that he needed to go forward and realize that he lacked happiness, when he had everything he could ever want in a material form. I think Clarisse was the beginning of Montag's end
ReplyDeleteI agree with this, I think that Clarisse was the person that broke down the walls in montags head that are up against ideas that are "forbidden" or "shamed upon." What do you think would've happened if clarrise wasn't part of the book? And didn't push montag?
DeleteResponding kathrines question, "why is montags characters face blacked out at toward the end of the book?" I think that it shows that montag went from being this innocent, close minded person to kind of a rule breaking, risk taker and I think towards the end of the book he kind of goes back to being this in the dark, close kept person and I think his face being in the dark represents that.
ReplyDeleteI liked kirry's question cause it raised a good discussion. It's probably because they wanted the public to think everything was safe and that there wasn't a "flaw in the system".
ReplyDeleteI really liked Kirry's question about the hound and that person walking around because I had been wondering the same thing. I want to know who would sacrifice themselves like that.
ReplyDeleteI feel like it was intentional because they knew montag was going to run so i feel like the had a plan.
DeleteTo answer Kathryn's question - "I noticed that in the final pages Montag's face is more prevalent , why do you think the author did this at the end?" - I agree with Kira's answer, and what she said was to show different emotions and feelings Montag has; thoughts are he's probably content, he's happier, he's fulfilled and at a better place than he was before.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, Ash. At the end of the book his face is lighter because he is finally at peace. His knowledge really helped develop his personality and because of his new found knowledge, he is more free. Even though he lost his wife and house, I think he would still choose the way he is now rather than who he was before. Now, he has people that their eyes are open and that understand him and his journey, which he didn't have before. He lost things, but he also gained important things and I think he is happier because of this. Hence, his face is lighter, he is no longer in the dark about anything.
DeleteJerrica I was feeling the exact same way. But i also felt like that was the stupidest thing in the world because he is not really dead, and eventually he will come out and someone will find out the truth. But also that poor man who got killed, what about his family?
ReplyDeleteI really like their discussion of their husbands being at war, ad that they most likely just live with life going on and don't really care about them in general, only their selves. I definitely think that everyone is almost like numb living in their society, nobody really feels anything.
ReplyDeleteto reply to Alexis, I really agree with what you said about everyone in that society feeling numb. I think that being without books for so long, and not feeling happiness for so long causes a lack of feeling in general because the body's emotions just shut down. I don't think that Montag's wife ever actually loved montag, but simply just took him for money and entertainment
DeleteI really like how you brought up being numb. That made think about A Long Way Gone, it also made me connect the two and see how the texts were similar
DeleteI like how you brought up A Long Way Gone. I hadn't made that connection without you mentioning it.
DeleteI agree with what Kaitlyn said because I mean Montage and Milldred acted like they did not really love each other, they just lived together and never really showed emotion. Which I think that it relates to the friends husbands being at war, that they don't care about them being at war because they do not love them, it's just people they live with.
ReplyDeleteI think they just feel the need to be married because that's what people think will make them happy. Even if they don't love each other, that's what's expected to make them happy.
DeleteNot sure who asked how did he learn to read, well theres other things to read instead of books, Theres cook books, dictionary, billboards, newspapers, ads on tv.You dont need just a normal book to learn to read.
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