Looking forward to a great first fishbowl over Fahrenheit 451. I sensed, on Friday, many comprehension challenges. Let's be sure to use our discussion today to sift through those as well as to explore deeper issues.
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On page 11, when Clarisse asks Montag if he is happy, he doesn't know how to respond. Is this because he doesn't know what happiness truly looks like? Or is his definition of happiness an illusion?
ReplyDeleteI think Montag is starting to question the world around him, which is making him doubt if he is truly happy.
DeleteI think that maybe ever since he met Clarisse, he sees how truly happy she is, and he realizes that his happiness is a lie. Seeing someone so different, it might make him feel young and happy with the experiences hes been having with her so far.
DeleteI think that Montag is masking his feelings. He doesn't want to show his emotions.
DeleteI strongly believe his definition of happiness is an illusion. Clarisse is slowly showing him this.
DeleteI think that Montag doesn't know how to respond because he does not know what true happiness is like. It seems as though he has lived his whole life in this dystopian world, and now he is a part of what has affected the world so negatively. I think that this has caused him to lose most of his sense of emotion.
DeleteWhat do you think is so intriguing about Clarisse that makes Montag want to keep seeing her?
ReplyDeleteClarisse makes Montag think. He thinks about what she say and she brings up points that he had never thought about before.
DeleteShe is such a happy and carefree girl, she isn't materialistic and different from the other people in the world. I also think it has to do with that way Clarisse questions Montag's way of thinking.
DeleteClarisse is so intriguing because she is so different from everyone else in this society. She has different perspectives on things and this interests Montag.
DeleteHe sees something he can't see on his own about society and the way he is controlled.
DeleteI think he wants to keep seeing her because its like the daughter that he never had. He sees her as his child and this gives him different emotions.
DeleteThere is no one else like Clarisse. She's incredibly unique, and she gives Montag new ideas that intrigue him. Clarisse makes Montag think. Montag likes learning about new things and he is starting to realize the truth about society.
DeleteOn page 26 why do you think the author thought it was necessary to include that part where there is no text and just pictures of montag drinking the rain water. Does this page stand out to you in any way?
ReplyDeleteI think it means that his person is changing and thinking more about what Clarisse is saying. Like when she asked about the firemen and what they used to do, and then when she asked him if he was happy, I think that it represents him changing
DeleteThis happens a lot in the book for example the beginning of the book when they are just showing the fire burning. I think the author does this so that we can read the images and think for ourselves instead of just reading the text on the page.
DeleteI agree with what Dom has to say about the effect of the imagery. But I also think that Montag is already going through a character transformation in this scene, and realizing that there is more to life than burning books. He can find a new path and potentially be much happier.
DeleteI think in a graphic novel there is lots of imagery. This is just one of the ways the author tries to communicate something visually. I think the author is using simple imagery in this to represent something complex.
DeleteDoes Clarisse represent something deeper within Montag. She always brings up thoughts that change Montag's point of view. Does she represent a deeper meaning inside Montag?
ReplyDeleteI think Clarisse is Montag's "light" in the way she is going to guide him to change. This is why she is always dressed in white while Montag is drawn in the shadows.
DeleteI definitely think Clarissa is changing Montag."was.. Was it always like this? The firehouse,our Work? I mean,well,once upon a time..."pg 33, This scene really shows how Montags starting to question things and opening up to the ideas Clarissa has said.
DeleteClarisse is a huge influence on Montag. she's bringing out a different, but better part of him in Farenheit 451.
Delete“I’m inclined to believe you need the psychiatrist” This is saying that Montag is acknowledging that Clarisse is a little different, if not a little crazy. But maybe she is just “normal” or the least “brainwashed person” in this time they live in. The most open minded.
ReplyDeleteHe later tries tasting the rain, will Clarisse’s ideas cause him to go against the laws, maybe by reading the books? Maybe Clarrise's open mindedness is causing Montag to think about more things.
ReplyDeleteI think that her ideas will cause him to go against the law and get him to read the books because he can't get her out of her mind and you can tell she has control over him.
DeleteYou start to see Montag thinking more deeply about things now that he has met clarisse? What will this lead to?
ReplyDeleteClarisse is influencing Montag for the better. As soon as you get exposed to something new, it's hard not to want to learn more about it. A society like this blocks off your curiosity. Clarisse does not shy away from her curious nature.
DeleteWhen Clarisse introduces herself she says she's seventeen and crazy. Why do you think this is?
ReplyDeleteShe knows that she is different that everyone else, and due to that, she is told she is crazy, so she just goes along with it.
DeleteFrom our perspectives, Clarisse may not seem "crazy", but to the people in this society she is because her point of view is so different from everyone else's, and she notices things that others do not.
DeleteI agree, she may only seem "crazy" to society.
DeleteYou see in the past reading assignments that Clarrise is a little different, maybe a little peculiar and maybe some could call her crazy. But I think Clarrise is just more open minded and the least brainwashed of all, she think deeply beyond the laws.
ReplyDeleteI agree. She is labeled crazy and dangerous, but only because I think she has more knowledge and isn't blinded from the reality of society as much as Montag or others.
DeleteOn page 27, why does the author keep shifting the colors to change the mood from dark to light??
ReplyDeleteI think that dark on this particular page is the negative society and the light is Montag slowly starting to realize what his life really is.
DeleteI think that when the author changed the lighting of each page it is because of Montag's mood. It seems that Montag is almost living two different lives, one when he is with Clarrise and one when he is a fireman. When he is around Clarrise the color of the pages seem a little brighter because she brings out a better side of him, unlike when he is being a firemen which is a role he is almost forced to play in society and he begins to question how happy he is doing this which is why I think that these pages are darker.
DeleteWhen the setting is dark it represents negitaves. And when its light he is thinking positive about things.
Deleteon page 22-23 do you think that when Clarisse says that montag isn't in love with anybody and he gets very offensive saying that he is in love with someone do you think he was talking about his wife or Clarisse?
ReplyDeleteI think he is talking about both. I think while he loves his wife, he is starting to realize that his happiness is an illusion, and astounded how open minded Clarisse is to new ideas. I think he believes Clarisse can show him real happiness.
DeleteI think that he is talking about his wife. He is acting defensive and wanting her to know that he loves his wife but I think that he really loves Clarisse and is just hiding it.
DeleteOn the first panel on page 8 a sunflower is in focus while Montag and Clarisse are talking, Do you think this is a purely stylistic choice or does it have deeper meaning.
ReplyDeleteI think that this sunflower is trying to relate to Montag and his outlook on life. It seems as though living in this world has broken Montag down mentally, and he is now a shell of what he could be if he new happiness and emotion.
DeleteI really enjoy the part with the dandelion/sunflower. The fact that Montag allows this young strange girl to run a flower on his chin shows that he is already becoming more laid back.
DeleteOn page 8 Clarisse told Montag that Fireman used to put out fires rather than start them and then on page 33 Montag asked the other fireman about it and then they referred to the rule book. Do you think that Montag thought of this himself or did he just remember hearing it from clarisse and decided to ask if it was true or not.
ReplyDeleteI think that he just decided to ask something he was curious about. Since him and his fellow firemen have grown up starting the fires instead of putting them out,it is just the lifestyle they are so used to and so they refuse to accept that their job was done any differently a long time ago and they are corrupted to the point that they think what they are doing is right.
DeleteYeah. I kind of wonder what year this story takes place. This story has to take place in the future because right now in 2017 there is no such thing as 'fireproof' houses and just about everything is flammable.
DeleteWhy do you think Montag was so defensive about Clarrise saying he is not in love with anyone on page 23?
ReplyDeleteWhat I have found in real life, when people are accused of not being in love when they are, they are usually calm about it, but when they are accused of not being in love, and they are not and they get defensive it means that they aren't truly in love.
DeleteI disagree with this because if you are in love and people are proving you are not in love, you are going to be mad because that is not true whilst on the other hand if you are not in love and someone proves that you are not in love then what is the point of being mad because you are not in love anyways.
DeleteDo you think Montag will gain more color towards the end of the book? Why?
ReplyDeleteI feel like in these reading assignments Montag is a vauge, dark character. He could possibly change.
I feel like the dark represents the society, and the light represents fighting the society and breaking the society, and seeing that there is better. And I think that at the end of the book he will break the society and turn light.
DeleteI think Montag will gain color when he experiences change. We already see Clarisse changing his perspective on society, specifically happiness, love, and his job, so I believe he will become brighter as his character is enlightened.
DeleteI think Montag will change as the book goes on to symbolize his shift from being in the dark, like the rest of society, to being in the light, like Clarisse.
DeleteIt seems that after Montag met Clarisse he started to become less ignorant and started to believe most of the things she says.
ReplyDelete“Kerosene is nothing but perfume to me” He likes the action of burning books and the smell that reminds him of the action. I think Montag is a person who doesn't think about things to deeply, a person that is very patriotic and for his country. He might not break the law.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think this quote signifies?
On page 34, Why do you think montag's fireman crew was so quick to regect montags ideas and questions about their actions as firefighters?
ReplyDeleteI think that the firemen were so quick to regret Montag's ideas because they are so used to starting fires instead of putting them out, and they are continuously told that what they are doing is right and they believe what they are doing is right so they refuse to accept anything other than what they believe in.
DeleteThe firemen don't know any better. The first Montag heard of firemen putting out fires in the past was from Clarisse, so no one would have told them. what I am wondering is why this fact is kept from them.
DeleteI think it is because it's the truth, and the society has worked hard to brain wash everyone, and make it so every one thinks the same. And when Montag learned the truth they did not want him going around and changing everyone's minds
DeleteI feel like they shot his idea down so fast because that is just what they are used to. they have grown up just knowing rules and not questioning things, but montag did the same thing to Clarisse when she started questioning him.
DeleteDo you think the girl represents freedom? She thinks more than other people do and she watches less tv, She also wears white loose clothing and is always moving around and being free, but she is also shown as a very troubled person in society. What do you think this girl represents?
ReplyDeleteI do believe Clarisse represents freedom. She is one of the few who have realized there is something wrong with the society they live in.
DeleteI think Clarisse represents light, specifically for Montag, because she is always pictured in white and is spitting out new ideas that enlighten Montag.
DeleteThis girl is showing how this society is ignorant and they are doing everything wrong. The society itself thinks that Clarisse is the one who is awkward when the society itself is awkward.
DeleteI think she does represent light of this book and to show positive thoughts through the book
DeleteDo you think Clarisse and Montag will fall in love? When she rubs the dandelion under her chin, it rubs of saying shes in love. If not, who else could it be?
ReplyDeleteWho do you guys think is "controlling" the society. I haven't read anything that directly says like these are the bad guys who make all these rules, who do you think those bad people are?
ReplyDeleteI think that their is probably a great ruler that is corrupting everyone as you have said, but I think that the ones spreading the ideas that corrupt everyone are people like Montag and the other firemen. I think this because on pg 7 Clarisse says that she is not afraid of Montag or the other firemen at all. This can show that the firemen could be the ones trying to spread these corrupt ideas because they are an intimidating factor in the process.
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ReplyDeleteWhy do you think that Clarisse asked Montag if he was happy? Do you think that she can see that he is unhappy?
ReplyDeleteI think that she can very much see that he is unhappy and that is why she always talks to him and hangs around him, to try to make him see the world differently.
DeleteI think she can tell that most people in this society aren't happy deep down and by asking Montag if he was happy, she brought those feelings up to the surface. This was her way of getting the ball rolling for Montag to start questioning the society he lives in.
DeleteOn page 34, The firetruck is yellow. So far in the book we've noticed that the illustrator uses dark colors to represent mean,darker corrupt things. So why do you think they chose to color it yellow? Are they using yellow to give society a less scary image of firefighters
ReplyDeleteTheir society doesn't see firemen as a bad thing. To them, the firemen are establishing peace and ridding them of corruption by burning books. I believe the firetrucks are drawn in yellow because of society's views, so we can relate to them.
DeleteI think this community tries to push out individual thought as much as they can, this is efficient but dangerous, what other problems do you think could arise besides books?
ReplyDeleteThis society seems to be centered around cleanliness and purity and we see that manifest through the flame burning the books and how they complete replace Mildred's blood with "fresh" blood. We also see these through them cleansing opinions and potential sources of conflict.
ReplyDeleteHow do you believe Montag will combat that? Will he even try?
DeleteOn page 34 why are firetrucks necessary when it comes to starting fires instead of putting them out. The reason why fireman need a special truck to put fires out is because it takes all that equipment to put a fire out. It only takes a lighter or a match to start a fire.
ReplyDeleteIf you lived in this society, would you try to own and hide books? or would you try to live your life as a typical person?
ReplyDeleteI personally wouldn't because them barging into that lady's house seemed so scary and the firefighters have so much power that I'd rather not get in trouble or left homeless
DeleteDo you think that the similarities between Clarissa and Montag's wife has a deeper meaning? Why do you think the illustrator choose to make these characters look so alike?
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